Author Topic: Where in Shoreham is this?  (Read 686 times)

Nelson

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Where in Shoreham is this?
« on: October 08, 2019, 10:28:16 am »
I’m sure we discussed this painting some years ago on the old web site without coming to any real conclusion as to its exact location. Assuming the content is not artistic licence then the view almost fits the history we have of one part of the Shoreham river front area. The windmill could be the one that stood on Mill Green at Ropetackle and behind it rising ground in the distance that may be Mill Hill; the town to the right and the timber work in the foreground is perhaps where the flood arch is now.
There are two question marks of this though.
The Norfolk Suspension Bridge had been well and truly built by the time the artist painted it and (if it is this area) should have featured as the centre piece of the painting so why has he masked the bridge with the boats’ sails?
The Ropetackle mill (we know it was a post mill and the painting confirms this) and the land it was on was sold in 1790 to Daniel Roberts who built a large granary on it. This had burned down by the 1820’s but could it be that the windmill was at a distance from the granary and still standing at the time of the painting – it certainly looks dilapidated with only two sails?
(Fisherfolk on a Tidal Estuary, Shoreham by James Webb 1825 – 1895)
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Re: Where in Shoreham is this?
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2019, 02:38:49 pm »

The Norfolk Suspension Bridge had been well and truly built by the time the artist painted it and (if it is this area) should have featured as the centre piece of the painting so why has he masked the bridge with the boats’ sails?
Maybe when he sat down to paint this scene the boats weren't there?  He'd have spent hours painting and then the sailing boats swan into view and the artist just says "bugger".
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Nelson

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Re: Where in Shoreham is this?
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2019, 03:55:40 pm »
Re Spinalman's post - 'Maybe when he sat down to paint this scene the boats weren't there?  He'd have spent hours painting and then the sailing boats swan into view and the artist just says "bugger" -  ;D hilarious - yes, quite possibly. In the meantime the editor of 'Sussex Mills' reckons this could be that view and, he says, it would have been quite possible that as a non working mill the Ropetackle one could well have been standing still by the time of the painting.
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Re: Where in Shoreham is this?
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2020, 10:03:18 pm »
Looking at this scene again:  if the windmill was in Ropetackle it would be the same distance as the St. Peter's church roof and probably about the same height.  Clearly the painting shows the windmill 5 times the height... so either the artist mis-scaled a windmill at Ropetackle, or the windmill was much close, where the Adur Rec is.   Even so, the boats are moored up at an unusual place as this was scurvy bank and not offering enough for the draught of any boats.
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Re: Where in Shoreham is this?
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2020, 08:54:22 am »
My guess is to the East of Shoreham Fort. The river curves to the left and there is an area of water to the east the fishing boats are moored or beached on the small inlet NW. The lighouse was built when the artist was 18 so it may have been painted before its construction the middle pier did not exist, the area of water to the east had not been widened and dredged for the entrance to the locks and canal. There is a figure sitting and repairing nets and a group of women preparing fish ? But what on earth is a windmill doing there unless its to guarantee more work from land and sea breezes.
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