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General Category => Shoreham Discussion => Topic started by: Nelson on July 14, 2017, 06:37:36 pm

Title: Preservation or Vandalism?
Post by: Nelson on July 14, 2017, 06:37:36 pm
Shoreham’s flint walls are older than we think. Many of those lining our ancient streets have their origins in mediaeval times and although we cannot categorically state that the material in them is that old we can safely say that some of them do still contain the flints, stones, mortar and structure from at least the 17th century.
One such wall is that on the north-west corner of North Street with John Street, it contains Caen stone remains from the ruined Norman nave of St. Mary’s church that fell into disrepair in the mid 17th century and was demolished in the early 18th century.
Some years ago when announcing its conservation areas and policy the town commendably emphasised that our street walls were also an important part of its historical character. This statement was backed up in the practical sense during the rebuilding of the old Burtenshaw’s blacksmith building in Middle Street where the walls were finished to a high degree of quality including the use of traditional material and mortar.
Can the recent standard of refacing the North/John Street corner wall be considered of a reasonable quality, traditional finish? Hopefully over the years the bright yellow modern mortar will weather to grey, the finish around the flints will become less obvious and at least an ancient wall has been given extended life.
Title: Re: Preservation or Vandalism?
Post by: Spinalman on July 14, 2017, 07:10:52 pm
I agree with you Nelson.  Some of my favourite walls are those that are the boundary between the allotments and the victorian gardens in Victoria Road.  I wonder if they predate Victoria Road and were the retaining walls of Green Dam.  Likewise the large walls in the Meads that were part of the Swiss.  And not forgetting the Western Road wall - probably 1840:
Title: Re: Preservation or Vandalism?
Post by: Nelson on July 14, 2017, 07:25:38 pm
Interestingly the 1833 tablet placed in the wall at the allotments (alongside ours actually!) suggests a wall construction date some considerable time before the houses were built (they were circa 1900 or Edwardian). As you suggest, the wall boundary follows the western edge of the 18th century Little Dam field or croft. The 'T T' initials probably relate to Thomas Tillstone, (rope maker and sailmaker) who owned one or two fields in the area perhaps for to dry his tarred sails - remember the upturned boats in the field above? - they were probably for his use too.
As a sad aside, large sections of this wall at the northern end have collapsed.   
Title: Re: Preservation or Vandalism?
Post by: Spinalman on February 12, 2020, 09:44:07 am
As a sad aside, large sections of this wall at the northern end have collapsed.
The collapse was as a result of JCBs working to dig a trench for a new sewer pipe in the allotments running alongside the length of the wall.  When the wall later started to collapse the Council just put up safety fencing to cordon off the area.
Title: Re: Preservation or Vandalism?
Post by: johnjohn on February 13, 2020, 08:04:44 am
In the first picture it looks as if the wall had unfortunaltly been repaired using cement mortar which would never weather to match the old lime mortar
Title: Re: Preservation or Vandalism?
Post by: Nelson on February 14, 2020, 05:45:39 pm
Yes johnjohn, but the galling thing is that the first post was made in July 2017 and circularised to the relevant parties interested in such matters. Despite that the second part of those walls (on the left of the first photo) was 'renovated' in much the same manner last year - no one is interested.
Title: Re: Preservation or Vandalism?
Post by: irvb on February 23, 2020, 07:02:50 pm
I immensely enjoy the content on this site, especially the archive photos.

A tiny piece of history that I enjoy, but don’t think can be preserved, is the “V” to celebrate VE Day that is chalked on a house wall in Western Road.

I learned about it on this site a few years ago, and often wonder of othe shadows of past years that I don’t know about.
Title: Re: Preservation or Vandalism?
Post by: Nelson on February 25, 2020, 09:05:57 am
Good to hear from you irvb – according to this Google Earth shot you can still make out the ‘V.’ Interesting point about other surviving relics but where I wonder? A few come to mind; the old ‘hairpin’ shaped railway line segment at the west end of the toll bridge once used as a barrier during WW2; some of the old shingle and cement kerbstones still bear traces of black and white paint; pill boxes at the airport; strengthening bands placed on some of the railway bridge columns following bomb damage – there must be others.