[Peter Deppisch]

I am a "cousin" from the colonies (Colorado).

I visited England + Shoreham for the first time in 1981, and again in 1985.

I stayed at a B+B near Shoreham in 1981, and found it again easidy in 1985.

Unfortunately I never noted where it was.

If I describe the location, is there anyone willing to hazard a guess where it might have been?

Will appreciate any interest.

peteandrepeat

[PaulOckenden]

peteandrepeat, on 12 April 2012 - 21:42 PM, said:

If I describe the location, is there anyone willing to hazard a guess where it might have been?

Go for it!

You'll probably get a dozen different answers, but maybe one of them will be right!

P.

[Peter Deppisch]

Friday | April 13 2012 | ~01:55P (USA/MDT)

Hello Paul and thank you.

I've studied the S-b-S area using Google Maps Satellite. Of course back in the '80s this technology was unavailable, so I have no basis for comparison. But my sense is that the area has developed and grown BIG TIME since then. I mention this because it has occurred to me that the place which I am trying to identify (its peculiar buildings + open land) may no longer exist. But you may still remember the place. So here goes.

My recollection is that I took the A23 south from London.

Then I may have taken the A270 west towards S-b-S. I don't think at the time that there was an A27 Bypass.

I got off of (what at the time seemed to be the ) the main road. This B&B was VERY close to this (at the time) main road. I had arrived rather late in the evening & retired almost immediately. However, the next morning I walked for about half an hour in the environs. It was a wonderful and memorable experience. It was fall and there was the smell of burning leaves. It was cool and the air was clean and there was a hint of a haze, probably from the Channel. This was my first time in Europe and in England, but I had the sense I was in a hamlet, for lack of a better word.

I have no sense at all of directions from this event, but I can orient things from the B&B. With my back to the front entrance to the B&B, I turned right and walked in that direction. Almost the first thing I passed was a car dealership on my right. I think a short while after that there MAY have been what in the States are called row homes and like the auto dealership they would have been on the right. (I'm not real sure about these row homes, but probably correct.) Shortly after this across the street on my left there were at least two or three buildings (I'm sure they were residences) that featured thatched roofs. I am certain of this fact because I had never seen a building with a thatched roof and I found in very interesting and fascinating. Of course in my childrens' books I had read all about thatched roofs in England. And there I was finally looking at some. A little farther along on the left there may have been some sort of a shop, perhaps a grocery. Then the "development" ended, and opening up was a vast panoramic open (cleared) ground extending perhaps a quarter or half a mile up a gradual hill. I think there was a massive building on the top of the distant ridge, perhaps a "public" (over here what is called a "private") school. Or perhaps it was an estate or manor.

That is what I can remember. It was all very distinctive and memorable to me. After the claustraphobia of London, it was positively exhilirating.

That's about it. I appreciate your interest and willingness to help me out on this.

A few years ago I was trying to locate a place I had visited in the Lake District in 1982. I had the good fortune to contact a gentleman named Andrew Leaney who did a lot of walking in the District. I had one picture from my trip to help. He took a look at it and knew the place instantly. If you are interested, I've put up a webpage with the photo and several others taken by locals of this most beautiful place. I have it up primarily for my own episodic enjoyment, but I get a surprisingly high number of visitors to the page. The URL is: www.qtrs.net/photos-england-lake-district-the-band.htm

Best regards, Paul, and thank you again.

Pete

as in peteandrepeat

[Doug Attrell]

peteandrepeat, on 13 April 2012 - 18:56 PM, said:

I think there was a massive building on the top of the distant ridge, perhaps a "public" (over here what is called a "private") school. Or perhaps it was an estate or manor.

I presume the massive building was Lancing College Chapel if that's any help. http://www.flickr.co...kev/6193061804/

Google maps link

I'm wondering if your B & B was at North Lancing, east of the Manor roundabout. I seem to recall some thatched cottages along there & there was a garage further east near the airport, Hares I believe. A car dealership is still there today.

[Spinalman]

My instant thoughts are that the car dealership is Endeavours in old Shoreham and the thatched cottages in Connaught avenue.

[Spinalman]

Id try exploring from here... does this look familiar?

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=embed&hl=en&geocode=&q=st+nicholas+lane+shoreham&aq=&sll=50.836706,-0.277126&sspn=0.008348,0.017531&vpsrc=0&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=St+Nicolas+Ln,+Shoreham-by-Sea,+West+Sussex+BN43+5NH,+United+Kingdom&ll=50.836706,-0.277126&spn=0.008347,0.017531&t=m&z=14&layer=c&cbll=50.840379,-0.283462&panoid=UuguYBBTSFRsULhRtX_90Q&cbp=12,64.15,,0,12.02



Explore down St Nicholas Lane (frampton place was where the car dealership was.) The thatched cottages were at the top of Connaught Avenue... to the SW of your starting point. Lancing College is due West from there. You may recall a pub on the way.. the Red Lion that has views across to Lancing College.

[thermo]

Spinalman, on 13 April 2012 - 19:33 PM, said:

My instant thoughts are that the car dealership is Endeavours in old Shoreham and the thatched cottages in Connaught avenue.

exactly where i was thinking as i read it as well, small grocery store was nearby there as well wasnt it?

[Doug Attrell]

Spinalman, on 13 April 2012 - 19:33 PM, said:

My instant thoughts are that the car dealership is Endeavours in old Shoreham and the thatched cottages in Connaught avenue.

By Jove, I think he's got it! Would these be the aforesaid thatched cottages? --> Google maps

[Spinalman]

As for which B&B... http://www.shorehamb...h-shoreham.html

The white house is the nearest but as an American I think you'd recall its name! and I am unsure if it existed in the 80's.... plus it is a few streets from Endeavours. I would hazard a guess from your description that it was a house in St. Nicholas Lane or Upper Shoreham Road. I doubt it is still a Bed and Breakfast. I did a quick search and came up with nothing online.

I suppose it is your impression of distance... I recall Denver was just a skip away from Colorado Springs, and then a quick trip to the Royal Gorge... but in reality it is probably a day's journey!

[Peter Deppisch]

I'm sorry but I have to cut away.

I'll re-visit tomorrow - I can't wait.

I do think all of you are getting hot on the trail!

Thanks to all of you for your input. All very interesting.

Be back with all of you tomoorrow.

Pete

[Spinalman]

peteandrepeat, on 13 April 2012 - 19:52 PM, said:

I'm sorry but I have to cut away.

I'll re-visit tomorrow - I can't wait.

I do think all of you are getting hot on the trail!

Thanks to all of you for your input. All very interesting.

Be back with all of you tomoorrow.

Pete

Too late Pete.... now there will be legions of Forum followers out with their dogs chasing down the evidence all evening.

[miseryguts]

First place I thought was old shoreham road - maybe the b&b that is now a nursery? not sure how long it was a b&b for before it was sold

[Doug Attrell]

peteandrepeat, on 13 April 2012 - 18:56 PM, said:

I have no sense at all of directions from this event, but I can orient things from the B&B. With my back to the front entrance to the B&B, I turned right and walked in that direction. Almost the first thing I passed was a car dealership on my right. I think a short while after that there MAY have been what in the States are called row homes and like the auto dealership they would have been on the right. (I'm not real sure about these row homes, but probably correct.) Shortly after this across the street on my left there were at least two or three buildings (I'm sure they were residences) that featured thatched roofs. I am certain of this fact because I had never seen a building with a thatched roof and I found in very interesting and fascinating. Of course in my childrens' books I had read all about thatched roofs in England. And there I was finally looking at some. A little farther along on the left there may have been some sort of a shop, perhaps a grocery. Then the "development" ended, and opening up was a vast panoramic open (cleared) ground extending perhaps a quarter or half a mile up a gradual hill. I think there was a massive building on the top of the distant ridge, perhaps a "public" (over here what is called a "private") school. Or perhaps it was an estate or manor.

If Paul is correct your directions would put the B & B on the north side of Upper Shoreham Road just east of the Endeavour garage. Even if the house is there I doubt it's still a B & B. The garage is no longer there but it was situated where the first house is on the right of this photo.
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Your "row homes" (or terraced houses as we call them) are still there, exactly as you describe them. Connaught Avenue is a turning a little further along on the left. The two thatched cottages are on the corner. (See my earlier link.) There's still a shop just before the corner, now Martin's newsagents. A little further along is the end of the road. The view from there overlooks open countryside including the River Adur, Shoreham Airport & the Downs. Lancing College would have been visible on the hill to the north west.

This is what the view looks like now. Lancing College Chapel at far right.
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[oldbean]

I also seem to remember talk of one of the houses just east of Martin's having been used as a grocers or something along those lines. Or was that just my imagination?

[Crypto]

miseryguts, on 13 April 2012 - 20:12 PM, said:

First place I thought was old shoreham road - maybe the b&b that is now a nursery? not sure how long it was a b&b for before it was sold

That's my bet too. Was it Pende Shore or something? I don't recall any other B&Bs along that stretch of the upper Shoreham Road

[PeterW]

Crypto, on 14 April 2012 - 08:17 AM, said:

That's my bet too. Was it Pende Shore or something? I don't recall any other B&Bs along that stretch of the upper Shoreham Road

There was a 'hotel' on Upper Shoreham Road, was it Pende Shore ? Is it now Kathleen's Lodge
Google Earth: 50°50'25.39" N 0°16'52.69" W

[Doug Attrell]

PeterW, on 14 April 2012 - 18:35 PM, said:

There was a 'hotel' on Upper Shoreham Road, was it Pende Shore ? Is it now Kathleen's Lodge
Google Earth: 50°50'25.39" N 0°16'52.69" W

I was wondering the same thing. It would be in the right place. Here's a photo courtesy of Google Maps.

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[Peter Deppisch]

So far nothing SEEMS right. I'm not saying none is right. The enormous coastal development has really distorted things for me.

Can anyone tell me if the A27 Bypass existed in 1981 and 1985?

My recollection is that once I got to Brighton it was mostly slow agonizing driving westerly through one coastal town afer another. And on the satellite map that looks like the A270.

The B+B was what I refer to as a pensione. It really wasn't a home, it was a business establishment, generally impersonal. The owners even had a license to sell spirits across a small bar in a dining area. Definitely not one's traditional B+B.

I certainly appreciate everyone's efforts. I'm really enjoying your website and its chat room. Very nice.
________

Spinalman, Colorado Springs is about an hour on the Interstate 25 (60 to 75 miles depending on germinal and terminal points). Canon City is perhaps 45 minutes to the west-south-west of Colorado Springs.

I hosted a party from Wigan a couple of years ago. In a day beginning in Golden (10 miles west of Denver) we did Pikes Peak (due west of Colorado Springs), Canon City (about 3 hours), Garden of the Gods (in north west Colorado Springs; maybe an hour), back to the Denver environs, and a restaurant dinner, and shut it down around 8PM. Probably around 250 miles. A nice day and not particularly rushed.

[Doug Attrell]

peteandrepeat, on 14 April 2012 - 20:40 PM, said:

So far nothing SEEMS right. I'm not saying none is right. The enormous coastal development has really distorted things for me.

Can anyone tell me if the A27 Bypass existed in 1981 and 1985?

My recollection is that once I got to Brighton it was mostly slow agonizing driving westerly through one coastal town afer another. And on the satellite map that looks like the A270.

The B+B was what I refer to as a pensione. It really wasn't a home, it was a business establishment, generally impersonal. The owners even had a license to sell spirits across a small bar in a dining area. Definitely not one's traditional B+B.

I certainly appreciate everyone's efforts. I'm really enjoying your website and its chat room. Very nice.

I'm disappointed. I really thought we had it. Everything seems to fit your description.

The Shoreham Flyover & A27 bypass was opened in 1970 so yes it was there on your first visit in 1981.

[thermo]

only the part from the holmbush roundabout westwards did at that time. the rest that you see on google earth was built in the early 90s. the long road you talk about would have been the a270 as you say.