[richard]

Does anybody know which 'local groups' were consulted?

http://www.shorehamh...entre_1_1679259

[PeterW]

richard, on 25 November 2010 - 17:48 PM, said:

Does anybody know which 'local groups' were consulted?

http://www.shorehamh...entre_1_1679259

Does it matter ?
Its seems to be going ahead anyway.

[kandy]

I think their research is probably like that demonstrated by Donald Trump for his Scottish golf course, at best highly selective, at worst made up to suit, and repeated until people believe it is fact!

[richard]

PeterW, on 01 December 2010 - 13:14 PM, said:

Does it matter ?

Well yes. It's the 'a representative and informed insider commented' syndrome and I agree with kandy, just smacks of a rubber stamp job. Does SBS still have a Chamber of Commerce? Were they consulted if we do still have one? Seems like the Knitting Shop lady and predictably Teddy's thought it was a good idea.

I'm fairly ambivalent about a pedestrian precinct and not swayed by 'artist's impressions' of pseudo continental cafe life. Just interested about who locally or not is pulling the strings.

[PrettyPinkVintageBoutique]

As a 'foreigner' from Southwick,who frequents Shoreham at least once a week if not more.
I think it will be aweful to make the road into a pedestrian area - I certainly feel sorry for surrounding housing areas, which will have much more traffic going up and down their tiny streets.

As a former shop owner myself - I had a shop in Air Street Brighton (much too tiny for cars but I wouldn't have minded as passing trade on foot or by car is always good in my eye)- I cannot fathom what these shop owners are trying to achieve, except in making access to the shopping area of Shoreham more difficult for us visitors from 'abroad' to get to - I don't have all day to drive up and own one way streets in Shoreham to get to a parking spot as I am sure others will agree.

If it get's too difficult to get access the streets for shopping in Shoreham, I might go that extra mile and go to Lancing instead and in these difficult and harsh economic times why alienate the shopper?

Oh,and before you say why don't you shop in Southwick - I would if we had descent shops.
Much as I like Chinese grub ,what bright spark thought of putting a Chinese food wholesaler where Woolies used to be, when they should be on an industrial estate and a proper shop like the Factory Shop be there instead.

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[Fangio]

For my tuppence worth I think it is a huge mistake and will rip life out of the town.
All that was needed was a pedestrian priority scheme along the lines of those used abroad, and which work very well. A day trip to Dieppe would have shown the councillors exactly how they get along very nicely.
The scheme, to me, seems dated and outmoded and will do nothing at all for business in the town.

[richard]

Fangio, on 04 January 2011 - 08:33 AM, said:

A day trip to Dieppe would have shown the councillors exactly how they get along very nicely.

Now you've been and gone and done it. Old Gav and his chums will be off on a jolly to Dieppe now!

I'm still waiting to see the plans for the new footbridge and where it is actually going to be. Anything on show down at Adur or in the Library?

[Fangio]

richard, on 04 January 2011 - 09:58 AM, said:

Now you've been and gone and done it. Old Gav and his chums will be off on a jolly to Dieppe now!

I'm still waiting to see the plans for the new footbridge and where it is actually going to be. Anything on show down at Adur or in the Library?

As long as they learn from it it then the cost would be worth it. The scheme as it stands is utter pants and self defeating.
From what I understand the north end (of the new bridge) will be more or less where it is, the s'arth a bit to the east - and the present one will remain open during construction.
It'll be 4 metres wide so plenty of room for Scoota racing

[thermo]

go to agree. the side roads are congested and are confusing enough to get from a to b. pedestrianising that area will probably kill it off and make the side roads a lot worse

[richard]

I don't even bother taking the motor down to Shoreham anymore, too much of a faff. Shanks' pony or the 19 if it's hissing down!

But I agree pedestrianisation will probably kill it. Howcome the end users seem to be at odds with the shopkeepers and I suppose is it SEEDA?

And what's all this about ..........'It would also provide a connection from the proposed Connect2 bridge and the High Street to Shoreham railway station and Brunswick Road.'

Is that the new footbridge?

[talktalk]

As a trader in East Street for almost 30 years I can assure you that the traders were not unanimous in their support for the pedestrianisation. However, the funding was only availble for a small amount of time and specifically for a traffic free, cycle and pedestrian priority project. Unless the free one hour parking spaces are replaced very close to the centre of town, the shops will suffer and businesses may close. There has been vague assurances that parking will be provided but I am dubious that they will survive the council's obsession with car free zones. For small towns, their survival depends upon car users - car free equals shoppers free. Our usual customers have a list of chores to attend to, if they cannot park, they simply drive to where they can park. I was actually assured by one councillor that the absent car users would be replaced by an influx of cycling shoppers ..... I will await their arrival especially on dismal rainy days like today!

[thermo]

talktalk, on 06 January 2011 - 18:01 PM, said:

As a trader in East Street for almost 30 years I can assure you that the traders were not unanimous in their support for the pedestrianisation. However, the funding was only availble for a small amount of time and specifically for a traffic free, cycle and pedestrian priority project. Unless the free one hour parking spaces are replaced very close to the centre of town, the shops will suffer and businesses may close. There has been vague assurances that parking will be provided but I am dubious that they will survive the council's obsession with car free zones. For small towns, their survival depends upon car users - car free equals shoppers free. Our usual customers have a list of chores to attend to, if they cannot park, they simply drive to where they can park. I was actually assured by one councillor that the absent car users would be replaced by an influx of cycling shoppers ..... I will await their arrival especially on dismal rainy days like today!

that makes absolute sense to me talk talk. they should be listening and supporting the traders. Its a real case of quiet we know whats good for you, even if we dont.

WHich is your business by the way?

[talktalk]

thermo, on 06 January 2011 - 18:39 PM, said:

that makes absolute sense to me talk talk. they should be listening and supporting the traders. Its a real case of quiet we know whats good for you, even if we dont.

WHich is your business by the way?

East Street Barbers

[johnjohn]

talktalk, on 06 January 2011 - 19:01 PM, said:

Unless the free one hour parking spaces are replaced very close to the centre of town, the shops will suffer and businesses may close. There has been vague assurances that parking will be provided but I am dubious that they will survive the council's obsession with car free zones. For small towns, their survival depends upon car users - car free equals shoppers free I was actually assured by one councillor that the absent car users would be replaced by an influx of cycling shoppers ..... I will await their arrival especially on dismal rainy days like today!

I often wonder what planet these councillors inhabit,all they seem to come up with is 'initiatives'and a load of waffle but no solutions! and regarding the 'influx of cycling shoppers', when I ocasionally cycle down to town I find nowhere to park a bike other than outside the Co-op or Library.....if the lamposts are taken and the shopkeepers don't like you leaning on their windows or wheeling it into their shop where do you put it?

[Fangio]

This whole business of visions of cycling shoppers is utter nonesense. It's not going to happen.
If the powers that be were really serious about wanting us to do this then why do they grant such huge concessions to out of town shopping centres
Plus, and on a local note, why does the town hall have one of the largest car parks in the place; for its' own employees

[johnjohn]

Fangio, on 08 January 2011 - 10:28 AM, said:

This whole business of visions of cycling shoppers is utter nonesense. It's not going to happen.
If the powers that be were really serious about wanting us to do this then why do they grant such huge concessions to out of town shopping centres
Plus, and on a local note, why does the town hall have one of the largest car parks in the place; for its' own employees

This is the ideal site for an underground car park with the minimum of excavation required it could provide two large levels.....anyone interested in starting a petition ?

[green angel]

Fangio, on 08 January 2011 - 09:28 AM, said:

Plus, and on a local note, why does the town hall have one of the largest car parks in the place; for its' own employees

ADD2 will not like you saying that Fangio, although reading your posts I get the feeling you wouldn't give a dam, good for you.

Besides Gavs got to have some where to park on the off chance he ever turns up at the Council offices

[Fangio]

green angel, on 08 January 2011 - 18:01 PM, said:

ADD2 will not like you saying that Fangio, although reading your posts I get the feeling you wouldn't give a dam, good for you.

Besides Gavs got to have some where to park on the off chance he ever turns up at the Council offices

If it's true then no I don't give a damn. If they want to set an example then best to start at home, and cycle to work!
The entire project of pedestrianisation is pie in the sky nonesense that will damage the town.
There are simple alternatives available that allow all road users access to the streets.

[PeterW]

Plus, and on a local note, why does the town hall have one of the largest car parks in the place; for its' own employees
[/quote]
Perhaps, because its one of the largest employer ?

[johnjohn]

PeterW, on 09 January 2011 - 00:16 AM, said:

Plus, and on a local note, why does the town hall have one of the largest car parks in the place; for its' own employees

Perhaps, because its one of the largest employer ?
[/quote]
Fair point.....but what about other employers without such a lerge space at their disposal,why not let them use the council pay car parks without being forced to clutter up any available free roadside parking spaces all day
Remember Shoreham is administered by the council,not owned by them!