[Fangio]

If people were to go ahead and just do it, then I doubt very much if anyone would attempt to stop them.
As soon as you involve any kind of officialdom they are almost bound to interfere and prevent it - they won't want the bother for a start.
Certainly on Guy Fawkes there will be the occasional injury, they are after all fire works! Isn't that one reason why we have emergency services?
As long as we go about attempting to inconvenience the authorities as little as possible then we will get very little done!

[Fangio]

Ferryman, on Oct 18 2007, 12:56 PM, said:

New Labour perhaps

BTW, anyone seen that film 'Taking Liberties'? It's a must see.

Taking liberties

It's very hard to take anything from someone unless they are willing to let it go!
Except of course my bike - if I get my hands on the **********
Apathy the great modern disease!

[Ferryman]

Fangio, on Oct 18 2007, 11:25 PM, said:

It's very hard to take anything from someone unless they are willing to let it go!
Except of course my bike - if I get my hands on the **********
Apathy the great modern disease!

Have you seen the film? First time I've thought of going on a protest. Oh, I forgot - the right to protest within 1km of Westminster has been banned!

[Chavster]

Fangio, on Oct 18 2007, 11:14 PM, said:

If people were to go ahead and just do it, then I doubt very much if anyone would attempt to stop them.
As soon as you involve any kind of officialdom they are almost bound to interfere and prevent it - they won't want the bother for a start.
Certainly on Guy Fawkes there will be the occasional injury, they are after all fire works! Isn't that one reason why we have emergency services?
As long as we go about attempting to inconvenience the authorities as little as possible then we will get very little done!

Spot on!

[johnjohn]

SHM, on Oct 18 2007, 04:04 PM, said:

I got a feeling they cancelled the bonfire due to all the ASBO`s it attracted from Lancing,Southwick and the likes.(...And not the sea Kale and Geese thing)

Great Pagan festival tho.Same about the nanny state attitude!

I don't think it could be called 'Pagan' as it was a plot by English Catholics to blow up the Protestant King James 1st (when Kings used to sit in Parliament).
Guy Fawkes,one of the plotters,did not end his days at the top of a bonfire as commonly celebrated but was hung,drawn and quartered........nasty!
In my young days Shoreham celebrated Bonfire Night in grand style,there was a torchlight procession ( real kerosine and hessian flaming torches ) from Connaught Avenue round the town in a circuitous route to the Adur Recreation ground where a massive bonfire was lit. It was attended by hundreds of people and there must have been at least a couple of hundred in the fancy dress procession that followed the leader ( A musclebound gentleman hurling and catching a baton of twin flaming torches )
Unfortunatly those days have gone,not solely due to 'Nanny States' with its over cautious Health and Safety regulations but our 'Yob State'

[sonictomb]

Pagan Origins

The origins of Bonfire/Guy Fawkes night may actually be much older than the foiled attempt at blowing up the houses of parliament in 1605. Although Samhain is now popularly thought of as being 31 October and related to Halloween, it is more accurately 6 November. The Celtic equivalent of 6 November starts the evening of the 5 November as Celtic days were a night followed by a day. Celebrations traditionally involved the building of bonfires and probably some form of human sacrifice. Sacrifices were selected by people taking a specially baked cake or biscuit. One piece of biscuit would be blackened over the bonfire. The person who chose it was sacrificed. More recently the person who chose it had to walk over the dying embers of the fire. Rituals appear to have evolved from human sacrifice to the burning of effigies: these effigies were often of local criminals; during the reformation they were the pope; at some point following the Gunpowder Plot in 1605 they became Guy Fawkes.

Source: the BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A639452

[sonictomb]

I came in to edit to add that pretty much everything that is celebrated in the UK can be traced back to some sort of Pagan festivities.

But the EDIT button has vanished!!!!

[shorehambeach]

JC, on Oct 17 2007, 09:50 PM, said:

You're making yourself look very stupid

Hi JC

Why am I making myself look very stupid ?

If its not going ahead due to the beach being a nature reserve when that isn't true then your comments have no merit.

If you knew that I had been both a steward and head of fundraising for the bonfire and beach dreams would that make me look stupid too?

Thanks

Steve

[JC]

Nothing to do with the argument itself, sorry but just the way you were throwing your toys out the pram.

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shorehambeach, on Oct 26 2007, 12:36 PM, said:

If you knew that I had been both a steward and head of fundraising for the bonfire and beach dreams would that make me look stupid too?

Yes it does, because if that is the case you should definitely show more empathy and support for 2shus.

[hooplop]

Fangio, on Oct 17 2007, 11:25 AM, said:

Wot! No bonfire?
Doesn't that take away the entire meaning of Guy Fawkes?
The parade will be good and I know lot of people will have put hard work into it, but, can it honestly be called Guy Fawkes with the fire.
This is about the only thing we celebrate in this country that concerns our bloody religious history. It's a bit sad to see being dumbed down along with so many other things.
Let's face it Guy Fawkes was about the only person ever to enter Parliament with a sensible purpose
In any case I hope everyone enjoys themselves.
Does anyone teach their children the true meaning of the thing? I would be interested to know.

old bat, on Oct 17 2007, 01:53 PM, said:

Sounds a bit sulky, but definately not the same without the bonfire. Probably won't go but will have a bonfire in the garden - it's the bit I like best and is appropriate at the tiome of year. Health & Safety police will probably be knocking on the door telling me to put it out as I don't have appropriate safety measures/cordons in place.
This country is getting a bit pathetic in that respect

I agree, my childhood memories are always of real bonfires in our garden on bonfire night as well as fireworks etc. We always had sausages on sticks and jacket spuds. I do remember the fire brigade coming one year though when my Dad's bonfire got out of hand and he set fire to our garden shed and neighbours sheds. I don't think I would have one in our current garden as it is far too small, maybe stick to sparklers!! Just to let Fangio know, My children have been told the true meaning of Guy Fawkes as it is an important part of our history - you are right we must understand why we are celebrating such events and teach our children.

[2shus]

shorehambeach, on Oct 26 2007, 12:36 PM, said:

Hi JC

Why am I making myself look very stupid ?

If its not going ahead due to the beach being a nature reserve when that isn't true then your comments have no merit.

If you knew that I had been both a steward and head of fundraising for the bonfire and beach dreams would that make me look stupid too?

Thanks

Steve

hi steve

so if you have been both a steward and a fundraiser in the past, are you interested in being so in the future? we really do still need lots of stewards for this firework night and i love getting past people involved as they know the job and it makes life easier for me, but i am always glad of new faces too.
as far as the fundraising goes we have a plan in the pipeline to develop this side of things and are grouping a small team together to hopefully raise money to help us host a beach dreams mini marquee series next year.

please pm me if you are interesed
cheers
vicki

[Fangio]

Good luck Vicki
I hope it all goes well.

[2shus]

Fangio, on Oct 27 2007, 07:46 AM, said:

Good luck Vicki
I hope it all goes well.

many thanks, so do i, at the end of the day you will make what you want out of these things, out of anything in life in fact. the more you put in the more you get out. Think i may make that my philosophy from now on!

happy days

[Fangio]

2shus, on Oct 27 2007, 04:28 PM, said:

many thanks, so do i, at the end of the day you will make what you want out of these things, out of anything in life in fact. the more you put in the more you get out. Think i may make that my philosophy from now on!

happy days

There's no other way to think about it! Have a baked spud for us

[zefarelly]

I'm absolutely gobsmacked theres no bonfires, and a pathetic excuse for not having them as well.

what happened to kids collecting scrap wood etc and building them in the gaps on the beach nearest their houses, or are the current residents of shoreham beach now grandparents? or childless ? or too bloody PC to do what they did back in the day ? when we where kids there'd be at least half a dozen between beach school and the church.

If memory serves me well we did Dads a favour by taking crap out of their garages, and parents always turned out to keep an eye out (supervise lighting in H&S terms) I don't ever recall any accidents, maybe a small burn hole in a snorkel parka from burning embers!

as a parent now I will positively encourage FIRE on bonfire night . . . when he's old enough to operate a blow torch obviously

[who me?]

shorehambeach, on Oct 26 2007, 11:36 AM, said:

Hi JC

Why am I making myself look very stupid ?

If its not going ahead due to the beach being a nature reserve when that isn't true then your comments have no merit.

If you knew that I had been both a steward and head of fundraising for the bonfire and beach dreams would that make me look stupid too?

Thanks

Steve

Steve - its moved...

From by the church (not part of the nature reserve) to by beach green - part of the nature reserve.

[shorehambeach]

who me?, on Nov 5 2007, 06:40 PM, said:

Steve - its moved...

From by the church (not part of the nature reserve) to by beach green - part of the nature reserve.

Err..its moved to Beach Green as there is no Bonfire....
Chicken Egg Horse Cart etc



Perhaps next year we should all get together and offer to steward the bonfire

[halek]

Many thanks to all involved in putting this event together.

My daughter and I thoroughly enjoyed the evening, even without the fire.

[Fangio]

There was a good happy atmosphere and the weather was just right for Guy Fawkes night!
It'd be good to see this even grow and help put the town even more on the map.
Well done to all involved.